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5 Reasons You Should buy an HDD Instead of NVMe! feat. Seagate Ironwolf Pro & Exos

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DON’T buy an NVMe -here’s reasons why perhaps you should consider HDD.

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0:00 Intro
1:09 Reason 1
1:50 Reason 2
4:00 2.1 example in a workflow
4:49 Reason 3
5:38 Reason 4
6:37 Reason 5
7:20 Speed of HDDs
8:15 Tip 1
9:38 Tip 2
10:52 EXOS vs Ironwolf Pro -Which is better?
13:37 Pro vs NON pro!
14:05 NASCompares – SSD or HDD for $1000?

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37 comments

@coisasnatv October 2, 2024 - 5:07 am
I use HDD's since the 90's, all my backups are stored in HDD's from the 90's and I also have backups of those HDD's in new HDD's drivers. My oldest hard drive is from 1994 and the newest is from 2015, they all still work.
I don't care about NVMe or SSDs, all my main computers runs in RAID-0.
@chams2385 October 2, 2024 - 5:07 am
the reason is seagate payed well on sponsoring the video
@quantistrap8494 October 2, 2024 - 5:07 am
LOL! The text to speech at the end was far more entertaining than helpful!
@IraQNid October 2, 2024 - 5:07 am
The only reason I gave you a thumbs down is that this is nothing more than a commercial for Seagate. You make valid points against the use of SSDs. You did omit the fact that the SSD is more likely to fail long before it gets to its maximum theoretical write capability. That was fabricated to confuse people who are justifiably concerned about data loss on short-lived solid state drives. I'm using the same HDD in my ten-year-old laptop as when it was new. Nothing wrong with it yet.
@duncancampbell9490 October 2, 2024 - 5:07 am
I'm looking at U.2 or ( U.3 ) NVME drives @ £250 for 4TB - £500 for 8TB or £1000 for 16TB obviously plus a RAID controller ( U.3 probably + 8 TB U.3 SSD @ £600 - upgrade friendly ! )
@qrogueuk October 2, 2024 - 5:07 am
I have a mix. Due to the amount of mother board storage interfaces and costs + use case.

2x2TB Mvme (Boot + Apps / Games + Projects)
2x4TB Sata SSD (Games + 10% over provisioning)
1x8TB HDD (storage + download + OBS)
1x16TB HDD (Games storage)
8X8TB external HDD for back up

Over the years I've had a few HDD fail, from different brands, the last was a 2TB Seagate SATA that I back up.
But I've still have a number of older drives. 5GB + 20GB eide drives that still work after 20 + years.

Currently (touch wood), none of my Nvme and SSD have failed.


My 4 year old (nearly 5) Nvme (MP510) current have 27TB writes and 42 TB reads (98% health*) / 14TB writes and 44TB read (99% health*)
SSD - Evo 860 (3 and 4 years old) current have 25TB writes (100% health*) / 6TB (100% health*)
8TB (Exos) HDD - 8TB writes (100% health*)
16TB (Exos) HDD 13TB writes (100% health*)

*ref hard dick sentinel (starts on boot). I have also have Crystal disk and each brand own software
@isl0w3 October 2, 2024 - 5:07 am
this vid should get 700mill views
@ChikaHakozaki October 2, 2024 - 5:07 am
I run and own a gamestore and a vast majority of the consoles that come in for repairs
the issues come from the seagate drive no ty
if they are failing rapidly in these why I would I use them in anything else?
@KN-592 October 2, 2024 - 5:07 am
They don't drop prices on nvme either its like they don't want you buying any
@intrax2tv October 2, 2024 - 5:07 am
Spinning rust just is spinning rust ! Tell your sponsors!
@johnpaulbacon8320 October 2, 2024 - 5:07 am
Thank's for this retro-feeling video of HDD vs SSD.
@datsweetsansabooty October 2, 2024 - 5:07 am
So I take it that Seagate Exos drives fit inside a standard hdd cage? I was reading a review for a case I want to buy and it said that Exos and NAS type drives are bigger than regular 3.5 HDDS and therefore wouldn't fit in this case. Does anyone know if this is true? I tried doing a search but I mostly get size comparisons as in storage size not dimensions.
@mimimmimmimim October 2, 2024 - 5:07 am
When using RAID1, data is not split as you told, it is cloned.
Secondly, not all scenarios using RAID1, reads concurrently from both drives in order to provide more throughput.
I used to think as you did. When I did my own tests on various operating systems, I was kind of disappointed.
I do not use hardware RAID though. It is so hard to recover data when the controller (or the mainboard) goes dead.
Thus can't speak on performance of RAID1 for storage units and mainboard RAID controllers.
@mimimmimmimim October 2, 2024 - 5:07 am
Cause hard disk drives are really really sexy ;)
@C-M-E October 2, 2024 - 5:07 am
As per the usual, both have specific purposes with a few caveats. For me, 8TB WD hard drives are the backbone of my high res modeling 'collection', as after I finish a big project, everything goes over to LT storage and archiving on HDDs. The catch is that, while they are Tons cheaper for bulk storage, to keep them on the usable side for years and years, you have to spin them up once in a while. The older they get, the easier it is for them to freeze in place when not used.
NVME has relatively limited storage, but it comes at you like a flood vs an ice cube melting vis-a-vis the HDD. Even if you're carefully collecting your data that you call for read cycles, they definitely have a limited speed lifecycle, where the more times you rewrite them, the NVME will Drastically drop performance over its life. They are better for writing to them and keeping the data for quick reads vs using them like most people do where data is constantly written, deleted and the space reused. After a year or two, their speed drops to half or less of 'new'/advertised. SATA SSDs naturally fall somewhere in between, while having none of the pros of either other than being overall faster than hard disks. Getting the half TB variety or so for dedicated OS use is a cheap way to go, however.
@iixixiboy3475 October 2, 2024 - 5:07 am
i have 3 same HDD since 2008 doing stronk
@eevd350z October 2, 2024 - 5:07 am
I've had 2 ironwolf pro 24tb's fail out of the box at work. 2 out of 4 working!!
@dane4890 October 2, 2024 - 5:07 am
My Seagate HD working for 7-8 years now... But i will replace it just in case, but with another Seagate ;)
@AgentHondaCivic October 2, 2024 - 5:07 am
i do have 6 - 12TB Hdds (3x ) 1x 12TB seagate i got for $99 on newegg sale (seagate) and 2x 4TB hitachi hdds (one is spare) and final drive being used was a used Hitachi Helium 6TB Enterprise Drive it was only 80 bucks on amazon or less. cant remember. i love helium drives, tehy run fast ans run way cooler than normal HDDs
@stavrospetridis3099 October 2, 2024 - 5:07 am
I bought 2 Seagate Iron Wolf 16TB HDDs. The first crashed right after format. The second crashed 5 months later. Seagate: NEVER AGAIN.
@neetkun5331 October 2, 2024 - 5:07 am
Is WD blue a good brand for HDD?
@artomontonen3722 October 2, 2024 - 5:07 am
RAID 10 read speed gain is x4 and write speed gain is x2. RAID 10 requires 4 identical hard drives and one hard drive can be broken. I have always had to start the repair from the RAID bios. Before that i make sure nothing cannot start or boot, only the internal repair program of the RAID controller goes on. All the hard drives write and read lights are off when RAID 10 repair is done. The repair may take several hours or days. Memory and PSU must be tested first. Too often, the cause of an SSD hard disk problem has been found in a broken power supply. Unstable voltage can mess up all SSD drives and USB memory sticks. RAID array repair can make situation worse if the PSU or memory is broken. Even the SSD drive firmware can get messed up if the PSU is broken. After this, the PC will not recognize the entire drive any more. I had one program from the manufacturer and it can erase the SSD drive and install the firmware on the SSD drive, but it works, only on one old SSD drive. The SSD drive worked fine for many years after that. So the firmware of the SSD drive can get messed up in the same way as the data of the drive, if it is located on the same memory chips. SSD drive manufacturers do not want to give users the opportunity to repair the firmware. The firmware can be corrupted just as easily as the files on the SSD drive if the operating voltage is unstable. My 3 SSD drives are now broken for the same reason, even a simple power cut in the power grid can cause the same thing. A mechanical hard drive is better, but it's slower.
@paulsawyer9127 October 2, 2024 - 5:07 am
Seagate sucks. I bought a 22 TB IronWolf Pro that was DOA. I spend days trouble shooting it and finally RMA it. It took a couple of months to get a replacement. Seagate won't replace a DOA drive with a new drive. Instead you get a refurbished drive. The refurbished drive Seagate sent me is unreliable. It randomly stops working so only about half the files I stored on it are usable. So I bought a new 24 TB IronWolf Pro to replace it. It is also DOA. So Seagate is 0 for 3 in my experience.
@omnymisa October 2, 2024 - 5:07 am
With 2k_ definitively I would pick some HDD for archiving, and put one or tow not necessarily faster SSD in the middle in case I need a moment of buffing.
@PROSHAHADOT October 2, 2024 - 5:07 am
Did you talked about heating
@PROSHAHADOT October 2, 2024 - 5:07 am
Did you talked about heating
@reverend11-dmeow89 October 2, 2024 - 5:07 am
Data capacity stays the same as one drive for Mirror RAID, and does not double throughpout until one doubles that set again, RAID 0+1.
@RushRacer October 2, 2024 - 5:07 am
data on HDD can last for 5 yrs, on SSD for 25 yrs if untouched for that amount of time, totally lie if you say HDD is more durable, it's not
it's true on HDD you can overwrite data more times, but that won't make it more durable
HDDs are only more durable if you write data on the drive 24/7 which is done only on servers, in your PC, if your SSD are failing earlier than HDD, smth is definitely wrong here, for example it's just faulty, get another one or replace it with other model, simply HDD will fail within 10 yrs, SSD doesn't have to
I am not saying HDDs are a bad option, if you want large storage for a low price, just get it, but not for the OS, just if you need to put your files away from your main drive
@JamesSullivan-ru4op October 2, 2024 - 5:07 am
This video sponsored by: Seagate! Since Seagate just provided my personal income, "Buy Seagate! It JUST WORKS! Would I lie to get to get paid? Well, to get paid, possibly so, but trust me anyway."
That's a tasteless intro. It's a tasteless video really, like most other bought and paid for techtubers. Are some of the ideals and information expressed here are valid? Sure. Politicians also tell the truth sometimes too, but only when it benefits them or can be twisted somehow to fit a narrative. Really, it's a very similar thing with a lot of techtubers.
@MeepMeep88 October 2, 2024 - 5:07 am
There's only 1 main reason to get hdd over ssd. Larger capacity and/or cheaper
@GeeksAndGamingNetwork October 2, 2024 - 5:07 am
The title of this video,- oops, i meant commercial 😜, should be edited to include, "...IF you plan on using 24tb of storage...."

This whole video clearly told me that seagate called him up and said, "we have a bunch of hardrives that nobody is buying so we figured if you make a commercial video for us we'll pay you x amount of dollars PLUS 4% of whatever sales you drive to our website."....

The main focus of the video was all based on massive storage that you don't plan to access on a regular basis...so the title is definitely clickbaited...do better.
@ColinDyckes October 2, 2024 - 5:07 am
A key point to bear in mind: Exos drives are supplied in bulk to OEMs and SIs and can't be warranted direct with Seagate but you must rely on the supplier. IronWolf Pro are classed as consumer drives and are warranted for 5 years direct by Seagate. I have both, but have just bought 5 new 16TB IronWolf Pros for a new Synology 1522Plus in RAID6. I've found both types extremely reliable.
@frozen_78 October 2, 2024 - 5:07 am
Unfortunately HDD can die from day to day. I've had 3 HDDs in about 6 years (WD, Seagate and Samsung) that were made for "long and intensive usage" that died without any earlier symptoms. I have lost lots of data! Electronic and/or mechanic failure of the device is a real problem in HDD world. SATA says: your drive is 100% feeling well. The next day you turn your PC on: HDD can't be detected...
@Camrographer October 2, 2024 - 5:07 am
My Western Digital Caviar Black two terabyte failed a few years back. Although I had some of that backed up it was very painful. This drive itself was a partial backup. Also I'd like to mention that this drive got very little use so it just stat there idling. I probably should have disconnected the power but I don't know how that effects the mechanical elements of the drive while sitting still.

Any way, I did not have the money at the time to have the date recovered but I finally did.

Some lessons I learned, don't put too many eggs in your basket. The more you have on there the more catastrophic the loss is. If I did eventually get a NAS I would I would stripe two drives and mirror those twice with a larger drive.

I've yet to have an SSD fail. The failing part isn't the problem it's the recovery of the data which is critical. If one storage medium is easier to recover then that one is the winner. Secondly, storage should come with monitoring software. I'm using Samsung Magician which does give me a lot of information regarding the health of the drives. That SMART firmware didn't help at all. The hard drive just failed out of nowhere.
If an SSD only gets used when it's written to then it could outlast any powered hard drive.

I've scoured the internet to find relevant data on the robustness of SSDs unfortunately there's very little information regarding recovery and the idle lifespan of the device.
@tasami24 October 2, 2024 - 5:07 am
Why destroy nvme's? 😡😡
@AlbiDartanan October 2, 2024 - 5:07 am
4:29 for archive storage , i would use Tape Archiving ... Or you can try DVD/blue ray archiving ....
@le_nirnoy October 2, 2024 - 5:07 am
what is pain? me: the intro of this video

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