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The Evolution of Technology Post-Machine Crusade | Dune Lore

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A discussion of how the society of Frank Herbert’s Dune and its technology evolved in the wake of this interstellar machine crusade. The result of this crusade forced humanity to look inward, to start schools to train and refine their own natural talents and to make advancements as a species.

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45 comments

@FlameOfRoyeca April 2, 2024 - 1:58 pm
The books are brilliant.
The delicate balance between the emperor, spacing guild and the great houses made the universe somewhat functional and well, balanced. And Paul, the supposed hero, disrupts this balance with catastrophic consequences for billions of lives.
@shinjukucalling763 April 2, 2024 - 1:58 pm
Least pleasing reading of this script I couldn't imagined
@BlackAlpha1 April 2, 2024 - 1:58 pm
I think, that lack of ANY computers, I'm not thinking about AI itself, makes Herberts human empire quite... weak...
If they would face any alien race, like Tau, Volcans, Klingons, Necrons, Borg or even 40k's Empire of Man and SW Galactic Empire - those races on start would have issues with passing through shield technology, but for sure, using computers, would counter those shiled and kick Dunes Empire's arse.
@pantherdddjvdgx April 2, 2024 - 1:58 pm
The worm’s plan was dumb. He could have avoided the treat by eliminating it specifically. But no….
@Elyseon April 2, 2024 - 1:58 pm
Holtzmann was such a thieving hack.
@uncleboby5952 April 2, 2024 - 1:58 pm
When you try to poop with the shield on 💀
@danielriley7380 April 2, 2024 - 1:58 pm
I’d like to delve into the non-mechanics in which a crysknife works.
@lordmortos979 April 2, 2024 - 1:58 pm
The text to speech is by far the worst thing you can narrate with.
@AnonAdept April 2, 2024 - 1:58 pm
Except gas molecules don't travel slowly unless they are very cold.
@atilax6452 April 2, 2024 - 1:58 pm
Hehe. Girls can't invent things. This really is science fiction.
@FishtownRec April 2, 2024 - 1:58 pm
Then what are the guns they constantly use in both movies?
@Profit2Raw April 2, 2024 - 1:58 pm
Something about her voice makes me zone out and not hear anything she said 😂
@erwingvargas2272 April 2, 2024 - 1:58 pm
I think the only thing that kind of breaks the universe for me is the fact that they couldn't develop navigation computers I mean that's not AI, but then I remember that the prohibition comes from religion so....
@flyingfoamtv2169 April 2, 2024 - 1:58 pm
fhere is no mention of a "machine crusade" in dune, but rather a butlerian jihad. if you cannot be accurate with your video title then how can i know that your video is accurate?
@centurion8446 April 2, 2024 - 1:58 pm
Worth mentioning it's not just think8ng machines but those who designed snd yielded it whovenslaved people as well
@DurrtyGato April 2, 2024 - 1:58 pm
I'm good with Super7.
These need to be pinless.
@JasonHolody76 April 2, 2024 - 1:58 pm
The thing that bothers me is no one ever says what or how the navigator interfaces with to make the holtzman engine actually work
@TheSmokingMustache April 2, 2024 - 1:58 pm
The lazgun and shield reaction makes a scene in the new movie where soldiers are getting sniped by lasers and one yells "No shields!" makes way more sense now.
@gulfracer8179 April 2, 2024 - 1:58 pm
The irony that it’s very likely this video was made by Ai
@krasuratos April 2, 2024 - 1:58 pm
It’s like a what if universe if humans beat machines in the matrix instead of lost
@Name-ot3xw April 2, 2024 - 1:58 pm
I could use a few of them anti-grav things for my fish tank. It weighs ~900lbs when full and I need to scooch it about 2 feet to the left.
@rafaelludicanti2 April 2, 2024 - 1:58 pm
Look. I would regretfully request to be left behind and alone.
@paulhunter6742 April 2, 2024 - 1:58 pm
We're approaching a nexus in development more powerful AI in 21st Century. Algorithms are deciding right now what we're watching here. Now we buy and sale; companies use them screen applicants. ln next US elections could be used protect or prevent Voters rights.
@marksanzone4948 April 2, 2024 - 1:58 pm
Fascinating creativity!! 😮😮😊
@2777davies April 2, 2024 - 1:58 pm
Cool
@misapheonix April 2, 2024 - 1:58 pm
How did they build moon sized motherships tho? XD
@williameftekhari3950 April 2, 2024 - 1:58 pm
I think the lack of computers stagnated technology for 10,000 years. If they ran into an interstellar star nations with computers like those in Star Wars, Star Trek, Battlestar Galactica, or Andromeda, the they might find a way to neutralize the Holtzman effect, including hunter seekers, with no real way for the Imperium to keep up by improving their own tech. The Imperium would be like China, Ottomans, or India when coming face to face with Europeans. They had been so advanced for a long time, but the Europeans caught up and surpassed because those societies had stagnated.
@KenLives333 April 2, 2024 - 1:58 pm
So no more computers? I am confused as where the line was crossed between AI "proper" and let's say a simple calculator? And where and how do Mentats fit in there?
@BlackEpyon April 2, 2024 - 1:58 pm
Personally, I find the Butlarian Jihad to be overreactionary and inherantly stupid.
@sgt.grinch3299 April 2, 2024 - 1:58 pm
I could live in that world. Other than a phone and tablet I have zero use for devices. I use the iPad to watch Nerd Cookies.
@seanpowell3755 April 2, 2024 - 1:58 pm
These books are a forwarning of things to come, no machine should be created in the likeness of a human mind.
@oeckstei April 2, 2024 - 1:58 pm
Everyone should read the butlerian Jihad, prequel to the Dune movie. I hope we get to see it on screen one day.
@thomasciarlariello3228 April 2, 2024 - 1:58 pm
"Dune Encyclopedia" claimed frigates use ammonia for a working fluid and have rows of rocket nozzle thrusters along the sides.
@thomasciarlariello3228 April 2, 2024 - 1:58 pm
"Dune Encyclopedia" claimed Holtzman machinery devices use neutrinos.
@TimParker-Chambers April 2, 2024 - 1:58 pm
8:32 When I first read the passage of the first time a laz gun's beam hit Holtzman's shield, I had to laugh at the cosmic irony of it 🥴🥴🥴🥴🙈🙈🙈🙈
@SxSxG666 April 2, 2024 - 1:58 pm
The narrator sounds lika a robot. She would have been banned in the Dune universe too.
@Davepool-hs7vr April 2, 2024 - 1:58 pm
The personal defense shield looked great in Dune 2021
@definitelynotRoberto April 2, 2024 - 1:58 pm
Technology is what distinguishes sci fi from every other genre, so I've always been somewhat dissatisfied with it's absence in Dune.

Further, you can't tell me that all "thinking machines" are absent... For example, are life support systems all analog and managed by a mentat controlling valves and other stuff? Or is there a microprocessor somewhere handling the load? What about sensors throughout the ship? What about tying together these various systems?

Integrated circuits must exist in the Dune Universe, even if no more advanced than what we have today. Naturally these devices must be networked. And voila, you've got a society filled with technology.
@botondkalocsai5322 April 2, 2024 - 1:58 pm
Considering the Maxwell-Boltzmann velocity distribution for air, the average velocity of an oxygen molecule is on the order of multiple hundreds of metre per second. While air molecules can go out unrestricted, only a very tiny fraction of outside air molecules can go inside because of the velocity limit imposed by the shield. This should result in a near vacuum-like low pressure environment inside the volume enclosed by the shield.
Basically everyone who use the personal shield without a pressurised suit ought to suffocate.

Holtzmann shield technology is basically a Maxwell demon.
@rattlesnakeprospecting875 April 2, 2024 - 1:58 pm
Would be really cool to see a series/mini series about Holtzman this is an untapped area in the Dune universe the Brian hasn't messed with yet!!
@mr.rousseau.4655 April 2, 2024 - 1:58 pm
They ripped off Warhammer 40k.
@ciprianlica April 2, 2024 - 1:58 pm
Technology is not only hardware, nuts and bolts. It is also technique, and the Ancient Greeks called both these aspects with the word "techné", the technical, comprising both the production of mechanical works and of what we would call arts: music, poetry, persuasion etc. You mention the Guild Navigators. But there are also other influential schools of thought within the Empire: the mentats as general pupose AI replacements, the Bene Gesserit with their expertise in religious programming, eugenics and erotic manipulation, the Tleilaxu with genetic engineering and espionage, even the school of the swordmasters.
@williamlee5313 April 2, 2024 - 1:58 pm
One of the best analysis of Dune and our current path with AI.
@Veiwer77 April 2, 2024 - 1:58 pm
I think this is a very interesting way to pull back technology instead of predicting what can be. I can see the reasoning behind not wanting computers to be able to take over, especially with how AI is making the rounds now. But what's the limit? Calculators are bad, but is using a slide rule or abacus ok? GPS navigation is a no go because you can whip out your sextant and atlas. I suppose video and audio recordings are bad too since you can memorize what was said, unless it was on film and not digital?

I never watched it read the books so I don't know. But it's more interesting as a sort of medieval fantasy with spaceships, like Star Wars but without the tech and droids.
@LukaVulic April 2, 2024 - 1:58 pm
Repelant force .. okay some mechanics please? Oh we're just using scientomological world to encapsulate bullshit ... sorry I forgot.
How little is necessary to sell BS, I miss deep scientific sci fi.

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